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Usenet Mac Digest     Friday, January 22, 1988       Volume 4 : Issue 11

Today's Topics:
     Re: MacExpo: Bursting at the seams
     Re: Computer Technology Changes the Music World (from AppleLink)
     Excel Book Summary
     Re: FullWrite Professional Demo
     Solana R-Server
     Re: Claris & MacTerminal?
     SF MacExpo - videotrax?
     Re: MacWorld Expo Report: Gassee's address
     (LSC) Deep Dark Secrets Wanted!
     Re: Screen Jitter on a Macintosh SE - a
     Re: FullWrite Professional Demo
     Re: Serious MPW C bug!
     Re: TOPS problem
     Re: Can the MacII be used sideways
     Re: Sorting resources and a question about the list manager
     Apple 21" Monochrome Monitor and video card
     Mac --> Apollo
     MacWorkstation
     Re: Are Desktop files a good idea?
     UUPC for the MAC
     Too fast scrolling
     Re: Are Desktop files a good idea?
     Re: C Comilers and the 68881
     TOPS info
     MS-Word-PC conversion to MS-Word-Mac
     Re: Excel Book Summary
     Re: FullWrite Professional Demo
     Info request - AppleTalk broadcast

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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Re: MacExpo: Bursting at the seams
Date: 19 Jan 88 23:26:43 GMT
Organization: Fictional Reality, uLtd

>I heard that a total of 30,000 people attended last year's MacExpo.  This year,
>20,000 attended just on Friday!  I don't know what the final figures are.

The final figure I got was over 50,000 people. Next year, they are going
to be splitting space -- All of Moscone, all of Brooks hall, and part of
teh Civic Center according to my sources. THAT should be a royal zoo.
--
chuq
Chuq "Fixed in 4.0" Von Rospach        [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

                       What do you mean 'You don't really want to hurt her?'
                                    I'm a Super-Villain! That's my Schtick!


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From: [e-mail] (Peter "Arrgh" Korn)
Subject: Re: Computer Technology Changes the Music World (from AppleLink)
Date: 20 Jan 88 00:48:37 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

Re:  Apple's MIDI interface not requiring external power

The 128K, 512K and 512Ke macintoshes all had +5V on pin 2 (out of 9 on
the DB-9 connector).  This is no longer there on the Mac Plus, Mac SE,
Mac II, and all Apple machines that use the new circular 8-pin connector
(I believe these are called 'sub-min 8' connectors, or some such).
However, these new connectors do indeed have power supplied on them;
+12V is on pin 1 (which is the pin on the lower left of the circle when
looking at it face on).

Peter
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Epstein)
Subject: Excel Book Summary
Date: 19 Jan 88 16:45:49 GMT
Organization: Meta Software Corporation, Cambridge MA

The 5 replies i received all point to "Excel in Business" by Doug Cobb,
Microsoft Press. No other book was even mentioned as a good book for
learning Excel and Excel Macros.

-alan    ([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (Aron Roberts)
Subject: Re: FullWrite Professional Demo
Date: 20 Jan 88 03:40:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

According to a conversation between an engineer from a large corporate
customer (a beta site?) and an member of the development team at Ann
Arbor  Softworks, overheard during the crush and pandemonium of MacWorld
Expo :-),  one desktop publishing-like function that FullWrite
Professional will NOT easily do is to place a full-width title across a
page in the middle of text columns, as in the following illustration:

       xxxxxxxxx  xxxxxxxxx  <- Continuation of article from previous
page
       xxxxxxxxx  xxxxxxxxx
         Full-width Title
       xxxxxxxxx  xxxxxxxxx  <- New article
       xxxxxxxxx  xxxxxxxxx

One can "fake" this effect by using a sidebar to hold the text columns
at  the top of the page, but then text from the previous page cannot
flow into  the area occupied by the sidebar.

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>
>The only real inconvenience I can think of will be that, as of the beta
>version, FullWrite doesn't read Word files (1.05 or 3.x).

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, the demonstration version handed out
at MacWorld Expo imported <both> MacWrite and Microsoft Word 1.0/1.05
files--in a manner which was approximately as transparent as MS Word's
importing of foreign file formats.

The Word 3.0/3.01 format is not currently supported.  I haven't yet
tried (or witnessed) importing of complex, picture-laden MacWrite files
or MS Word files with attached style sheets.

Although the demo version handed to the curious throngs at the Expo
would only save in FullWrite format, the version being shown at the AAS
booth had  a file formats button in its "Save As ..." dialog box,
similar to MS Word's,  with five radio buttons for saving to the
following file formats:
   o FullWrite
   o FullWrite Stationery (user-defined documents which store default
     formatting information)
   o MacWrite 4.5
   o Text only
   o Text only with line breaks

One important note which has appeared in previous postings, but which
bears repeating:  Although FullWrite Professional appears at first
glance to be an extremely attractive, capable word processor, it is also
is a BIG  program, requiring a considerable hardware investment.

FullWrite Professional runs VERY sluggishly on a 1MB Mac Plus.  AAS
representatives said that the program takes advantage of available
memory  and speeds up noticeably with 2MB and more of RAM.  And as Chuq
mentioned,  the demo version of the program itself barely squeezes onto
an 800KB floppy  disk--even without its associated dictionary,
thesaurus, and help files.  A hard disk is a necessity, not a luxury,
with FullWrite Professional.

   Aron Roberts  Tolman Microcomputer Facility
                 1535 Tolman Hall, University of California
                 Berkeley, CA 94720  [phone]
                 [e-mail]   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (CROWE)
Subject: Solana R-Server
Date: 20 Jan 88 03:37:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

I am looking for those with experience with Solana's R-Server.  I have a
2400 baud modem at home with dial-in capability to our Datakit network
at work.

I would like to use the R-Server (or equivalent) get TOPS access to
files on a Mac at work.

What software comes with the R-server?  Async Atalk?  Is it
programmable? Probably not.  To the point, the connect procedure will
require typing a password and then a destination.

How can I do it assuming that I can get the connection right?

Thanks
--
D. Crowe
AT&T Bell Labs
whuts!crowe


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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Re: Claris & MacTerminal?
Date: 20 Jan 88 05:35:35 GMT
Organization: Fictional Reality, uLtd

>Does Claris now own MacTerminal and MacPascal as well?o

MacTerminal was retained by Apple as system software. As far as I can
tell, nobody claims to own MacPascal -- it's been superseded by MPW
and/or LSPascal.
--
chuq
Chuq "Fixed in 4.0" Von Rospach        [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

                       What do you mean 'You don't really want to hurt her?'
                                    I'm a Super-Villain! That's my Schtick!


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Khaw)
Subject: SF MacExpo - videotrax?
Date: 20 Jan 88 09:01:20 GMT
Organization: Teknowledge, Inc., Palo Alto CA

I somehow missed the Alpha Micro booth so I didn't get any information
on their videotrax (backup your hard disk to a VCR) product.  Does it
use its own backup software, or can you use, say, Supermac's Diskfit?
How much does it all cost if you exclude the VCR and the videotape
media?

Mike Khaw
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From: [e-mail] (Karl C. Kelley)
Subject: Re: MacWorld Expo Report: Gassee's address
Date: 20 Jan 88 01:20:16 GMT


The example stated above by Lu relative to "if RCA had not liscensed its
technology, where would TV be today" seemed to me to be an example of
the danger being expressed in Gassee's argument.  RCA liscensed all the
technology, all their competitors improved upon it, and now RCA is more
or less shut out of the business of providing TVs to the living rooms of
America.   It seemed to me that Lu 's remarks were prepared before he
heard what Gassee had to say, and then when he (Lu) spoke, he did not
offer any refutation of the Apple position.  All he was really saying is
that it is in the industry's interest for the technology to be shared,
because it would improve the rate of progress in developing things that
we otherwise will have to wait for  Apple to have the time/money/people
to develop.  I agree that it would be a shot in the arm for all the
third party developers, but then there is that nagging long term shot in
the head....it doesn't have to come from overseas.


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From: [e-mail] (Ted Johnson)
Subject: (LSC) Deep Dark Secrets Wanted!
Date: 15 Jan 88 18:10:45 GMT
Organization: HP Design Tech Center - Santa Clara, CA

Would someone please share the DEEP DARK programming secrets on how to:

    (1)black out the ENTIRE screen (including JCLOCK)?  I have seen several
           screen savers that do this...  What is the magical ROM routine
           that I have to call?

    (2)make a DA live forever (i.e., remain active across launching
           different applications from the non-multi Finder), unless
           you explicitly close it by clicking on it's close box.
       I assume this means patching one or more of the ROM routines....

    (3)Write an INIT?

Any pointers to particular issues of MacTutor and/or code examples are
very much appreciated!!!!  BTW, source examples are especially helpful
if they're in LSC!  Thanks!

    -Ted
--
----------------------------------------
Ted Johnson
Hewlett-Packard
Santa Clara, CA
[phone]
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Screen Jitter on a Macintosh SE - a
Date: 20 Jan 88 05:02:00 GMT

Here is information from PLATO Macintosh notes (mother of unix notes):

Supposedly, Apple has recognized the problem in early SEs.  Apple will
soon offer through dealers a repair kit that costs about $90 retail, $12
wholesale, but involves swapping in a new logic board to hold a
different fan.  The kit contains a new, quieter muffin fan that makes
less noise and eliminates screen jitter.  Maybe you can talk your dealer
into installing it for free (no labor).

Also from PLATO notes:  Apple is rumored to be poised to release an SE
with a 40Mb internal drive.  It will supposedly be announced at MacExpo
or soon thereafter.

Don


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: FullWrite Professional Demo
Date: 19 Jan 88 16:01:00 GMT


>>The Fullwrite Pro demo is 753K. The help file is extra. And, as I said, it
>>is missing the spell checker, thesaurus, and associated dictionaries. Under
>>multifinder, the recommended memory size is 1024K. That's a megabyte.
>    And that's a hard limit.  FullWrite refuse to run if you set it
>to run in a smaller partition.

Their ad in Mac{User,World} claims it runs on a 512E.  Is this a lie?
---- Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office Internet:
[e-mail]  UUCP: ihnp4!uiucuxc!dorner IfUMust:  (217)
333-3339


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From: [e-mail] (Joe MacDougald)
Subject: Re: Serious MPW C bug!
Date: 20 Jan 88 01:19:58 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Blackwell)
writes:
>If you're using MPW 2.0 C, beware of floating point operations. I just spent
>two hours tracking down the following bug (it took that long, because it was
>a complicated program, and I didn't even think to look for such a major
>compiler bug). Try this simple program:
[ source omitted...]

This bug was found and fixed.  The version that contains the fix is
available from APDA as MPW C 2.0.2.

>While I'm bitching about MPW, quick and dirty programs which just use stdio
>for output (like this one) crash instantly under Multifinder. And you'd
>think, with the horsepower of a Mac2 on my desk, I could compile, or at
>least print, in the background, but nooo.... Most every other application
>can take advantage of background printing these days. Humph. And I used to
>love MPW.

The C stanard library function printf assumes the defination of stdout
as a buffer for writing output to.  If you have linked your program as
an '-t APPL' (ie. application, the default) the MPW Shell will suspend
itself and run your "application" under the (Multi)Finder.  Here is your
problem.

This buffer is undefined under MultiFinder as well as Finder.   Printf
"works" (read: prints to the screen through the "Macintosh Interface")
when Finder is running due to support included in StdCLib.o.  This
functionality was added primarily to debug tools under an unstable shell
environment.

Printf *can not* work, even with this support, under MultiFinder, due to
the context shifts which move memory around as well as to disk and back.

If you link your program as '-t MPST' (MPW Shell Tool) then it will
function  as one would expect, writing output to the Worksheet ( which
is predefined as stdin, stdout and stderr), even if MultiFinder is
active!


Thanks for your support and I hope this answers your questions and
restores your faith in MPW.
--
    joe.


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From: [e-mail] (Peter "Arrgh" Korn)
Subject: Re: TOPS problem
Date: 20 Jan 88 01:07:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (R. Perlman) writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]> someone wrote:
>>Installing Tops went pretty fluently, but there's some minor quirk
>>with Tops on the Mac-side. It doesn't recognize my system (4.2) to
>>be HFS (!). Therefore, when I mount the AT's harddisk on the Finder,
>>I get a 'flat' directory, without folders. Any1 a clue?
>
>Check your manual.  A current limitation of TOPS is that it can
>only read the top directory in a mounted PC disk -- not
>sub-directories.  This may be fixed in release 2.0.

This isn't a limitatin of TOPS.  Rather it's part of the AFP spec. (that
stands for Apple Filing Protocall).  Unfortunately I don't have my
Appletalk Bible handy, so I can't quote chapter and verse; but basically
there are differences in the way that directories are implemented under
DOS vs. HFS; enough so that a feature needed for HFS isn't there in the
DOS envorinment resulting in the inability to make a one-to-one
directory mapping from DOS to HFS (ie you have to make each directory on
a DOS volume act as an MFS volume of it's very own, and mount them
seperately).

Sorry for the lack of details; this is from a skimming of AFP two months
ago.

Peter
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Platt)
Subject: Re: Can the MacII be used sideways
Date: 20 Jan 88 05:35:57 GMT
Organization: Coherent Thought Inc., Palo Alto CA

A caution re turning the Mac II on its side:  it's possible that some
hard disks may have track-alignment problems if you format them while
they're positioned horizontally and then operate them while positioned
vertically... apparently changing the relative-direction-of-gravity can
cause the heads or head-positioning mechanism to drift a bit out of
alignment.  I don't know if this applies to any of the hard disks that
are being used in Mac IIs these days;  I do remember that the
installation instructions that came with Sun 70- and 140-meg shoebox
disks recommended that the drives be reformatted if they were switched
from a horizontal operating position to a vertical position, or vice
versa.

So... it may not be necessary to dump/reformat/restore, but then again
it may be... and I don't imagine it'd hurt to do so, just in case.  Just
be _sure_ you have a clean backup before you reformat!

--

Dave Platt
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From: [e-mail] (Oliver Steele)
Subject: Re: Sorting resources and a question about the list manager
Date: 20 Jan 88 16:55:45 GMT
Organization: University Of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

The cheap trick here is to use AddResMenu() to add them all to the end
of (empty) menu that you never draw (make one with NewMenu() and then
dispose it after you're done with it), and read the names of the menu
items from its data.  Write me if you need source.
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From: [e-mail] (Herb Poppe)
Subject: Apple 21" Monochrome Monitor and video card
Date: 19 Jan 88 23:12:12 GMT
Organization: Natl Ctr Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO

I heard rumors before the Expo that Apple would announce a 21"
monochrome monitor (with video card) for the Mac II. Did it happen? Can
anyone provide details, especially price.
--
Herb Poppe      NCAR                         INTERNET: [e-mail]
[phone]  P.O. Box 3000                   CSNET: [e-mail]
        Boulder, CO  80307               UUCP: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mac --> Apollo
Date: 20 Jan 88 19:14:55 GMT
Organization: Yale University, New Haven, CT

>From: James Spohrer <spohrer-james>

I would like to drive an Apollo DN300 Monitor from my Apple Mac SE. Is
there a product out there that will allow me to do this. The Apollo
monitor is much larger than my SE monitor so I would like to take
advantage of it.
--
Jim Spohrer
SPOHRER@YALE
[phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Herb Poppe)
Subject: MacWorkstation
Date: 19 Jan 88 23:23:48 GMT
Organization: Natl Ctr Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO

Last August Apple said they would release MacWorkstation this January.
Did Apple announce the availability of MacWorkstation at MacExpo? Who
does one contact to purchase this product?
--
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[phone]  P.O. Box 3000                   CSNET: [e-mail]
        Boulder, CO  80307               UUCP: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Clausing)
Subject: Re: Are Desktop files a good idea?
Date: 20 Jan 88 14:33:52 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Computer and Information Science

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lee
Atchison) writes:
>Try putting your applications in a long-thin folder at the bottom of your
>screen.  You no longer have to worry about hiding windows behind the desk
>top, and the icons are still easily accessible for your use.
>Lee Atchison

The only problem that still remains is the trash can.  It still remains
hidden on the desktop.  I would like to be able to throw things away
from the finder while in MultiFinder, but every so often I find an
unfriendly application whose window cannot be shrunk or moved out of the
way and it ends up hiding the trash can.  I suppose I could use one of
my desk accessories that can delete files, but I hesitate to do that
with the finder open because of experiences I had in the past.  A
thought that just occured to me, can you put the trash can in a folder?
--
Jim Clausing  -- "Is it time for a colorful metaphor?"
CIS Department            [e-mail]
Ohio State University        [e-mail]
Columbus, OH 43210    GEnie:        J.CLAUSING


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From: [e-mail] (Daryl G Johnson)
Subject: UUPC for the MAC
Date: 20 Jan 88 17:05:41 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

I've recently dredged up my copy of UUPC and attempted to get it to
compile under LSC with no success.  I don't have access to Aztec C and
do not expect to.  Has any one had any success with porting UUPC to LSC
or even to MPW C? I'm very interested in getting a copy of the fixes or
any hint.  Comments on how reliable it is are appreciated as well.

    Thanks in advance.
        Daryl
--
===============================================================================
Daryl G Johnson                               UUCP:  ritcv!dgj
Computer Systems & Facilities Administrator   CSNET: dgj@rit
Rochester Institute of Technology
Rochester, NY    14623


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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Whitley)
Subject: Too fast scrolling
Date: 20 Jan 88 19:37:05 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

Various scroll bars (for instance setting the time on the Alarm clock)
work too fast on the Mac II.  Is there any way to slow things down?
--
Kevin Whitley
Arpanet: [e-mail]
[phone]


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From: [e-mail] (David Palmer)
Subject: Re: Are Desktop files a good idea?
Date: 20 Jan 88 21:04:13 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology

You  cannot move the trash can off of the desktop.  One possibility, if
you have a large amount of free disk space, you could designate a folder
to be the effective trash, and just empty it into the real trash can
whenever it starts filling up.  This also provides a longer-time undo
for deleting files.

If you edit the name of the trash can so that it is long enough to
extend to the very edge of the desktop, then unfriendly applications
which leave a one- pixel wide margin on the right side are no problem,
you just use that one pixel to select the trash-can's name.  (i.e., you
go into Resedit and change "trash" to "        trash".  Then by dragging
an icon down the right margin until you see the 1-pixel wide sliver of
the name highlight itself, you can find the trashcan.  I am not sure if
this will work, but it's worth a try.)

        David Palmer
        [e-mail]
        ...rutgers!cit-vax!tybalt.caltech.edu!palmer
    "Every day it's the same thing--variety.  I want something different."


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Weinberg )
Subject: Re: C Comilers and the 68881
Date: 18 Jan 88 18:35:02 GMT
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products, Sunnyvale , CA 94086-5303

Motorola publishes "MC688811 Floating Point Coprocessor User's Manual"
under the part number MC68881UM/AD.  This can be ordered from the
Motorola Literature Distribution Center, P.O. Box 20924, Phoenix, AZ
85036-0924 or your local Motorola Sales Office should be able to help
you get it.
--

<< Usual Disclaimer >>
Phil Weinberg @ Motorola Semiconductor, Sunnyvale, CA 94086-5395
UUCP:  {hplabs, mot,} !motsj1!phil
Telephone:  [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (paul  gilna)
Subject: TOPS info
Date: 20 Jan 88 17:28:02 GMT
Organization: U. Chicago Computation Center


    hello
     I would be interested to hear of anyone's experience
    of using SUN TOPS. We are trying to configure a LAN
    using a SUN 3/60 as a server to a mix of PC's and
    Macs. Although we plan to wire with both thin wire
    ethernet and PhoneNet (using a Kinetics FastPath to
    bridge the two nets), we are interested in having a
    universal protocol running over ethernet that would
    integrate PC's and ethernet capable Macs. so;

    1. Is anyone using TOPS and EtherTalk
    2. How close is TOPS to using a PC 3Com board or similar.
    3. What are the physical cable limitations for
       Ethertalk/thin wire.
    4. Is there a way to spool to a printer off the SUN
       from either apple- or Ethertalk.
    5. Is there an alternative to TOPS other than micro
       versions of TCP/IP or NFS, that can (or will in the
       future) integrate SUN UNIX, PC and Mac in a "seamless"
       (lord do I hate that word) fashion.

    Much Thanks,            paul gilna.
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From: [e-mail] (Kees van't Hoff)
Subject: MS-Word-PC conversion to MS-Word-Mac
Date: 20 Jan 88 15:32:38 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam


    Since MS-Word on the Mac can Save and Open files for/from MS-Word DOS
version, we've being trying to accomplish this, but unfortunately
without any success. We brought both the document and the style sheet
from the DOS-version to the Mac, and it looked like the Mac version
could do something with it; i.e. it opened the document, but there was
no resemblence to the original document. Rulers with originally no
indent, came up with an indent of about 50 cm., vertical spacing of 12
points turned out to be more than 1400 points etc. In other words a
great mess. Although I should ad that the text was transferred
completely (as far as I could see).
    The versions we use over here are : MS-Word 3.11 for the PC and MS-Word
3.01 for the Mac.
    Anybody with the same problem or am I doing something stupid? What
about version 4.0 for the PC (should be out here soon)?
--
Kees van't Hoff


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From: [e-mail] (William S. Graefe)
Subject: Re: Excel Book Summary
Date: 21 Jan 88 00:31:09 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

What about "Using Excel" published by Que?  I have it and I like it. It
describes everything in great detail, except macros.  There is plenty of
info on macros, just not a lot of detail.
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From: lippin@maypo (The Apathist)
Subject: Re: FullWrite Professional Demo
Date: 21 Jan 88 05:47:58 GMT
Organization: SOWHAT -- Stop Oppression Without Hardly Any Trouble

Recently [e-mail] (William H. Jefferys) said:
>Word's implementation of formulas may not be great, but it is a whole
>lot better than MacEQN's, expecially for editing. Furthermore, it gives
>me the ability to put equations into running text, which MacEQN doesn't.
>I would have liked it better had Word's equation facility been compatible
>with TeX, but beggars can't be choosers. In any case, equations are
>essential to my work, and for this reason I won't be buying FullWrite.

At the expo, there were two programs for WYSIWYG typesetting of
equations being demoed: "Expressionist" and "MathType."  They were
fairly similar; each had a much more believable interface than MacEqn,
and I think they each had a trimmed-down DA form.  One, and perhaps
both, could also output TeX.  I can't see choosing to use Word's stuff
over either of these.

Putting equations in running text is a function of the word processor;
both Word and FullWrite can, whereeverthe equations come from, and
MacWrite can't.

                    --Tom Lippincott
                    ..ucbvax!bosco!lippin

    "Note that they do not so much fly, as plummet."
                    --Monty Python's Flying Circus


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From: [e-mail] (Matthew D. Lewis)
Subject: Info request - AppleTalk broadcast
Date: 20 Jan 88 13:36:05 GMT
Organization: uvabick

I run a fairly large AppleTalk network running on LocalTalk cabling
(Phonenet, actually).  We have some 45 Macs, with about 60-70 people
using them.  Every time there's a server problem, or a printer problem,
I have to phone everyone that I can find.  I'd like something that would
allow me to broadcast (break in, that is) to everyone's screens.
Specifically, an application or DA to do the broadcast, and an init or
driver to receive it.  Anyone no of any such thing?  Please reply by
e-mail, and I'll summarize if there's anything interesting.  Thanks a
lot in advance.
--
Matthew Lewis
University of Amsterdam

UUCP:  [e-mail]

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